VisualWorks
WebVelocity
As promised, an unadulterated alpha version of WebVelocity for your eyes. I say unadulterated because there are bugs and I hit a couple of them during the video. I'm not one for trying to do smoke and mirrors.. I leave the absolutely polished bug free screencasts to marketing (*tongue in cheek*).
So, find below, an extended introduction to the WebVelocity development environment and associated tools and frameworks.
Update: The video should now play correct while downloading and I removed the section where I empty out the database
By pf on May 22, 2008, 6:33:17 am
persistence, versioning, testing, web debugging, documentation, top quality web interface, smalltalk/seaside inside
I am totally amazed now.
By Mark Derricutt on May 23, 2008, 7:38:01 amWow - now that is hellishly impressive. Is WebVelocity being developed as something that ships standard with VisualWorks (inc. Non Commercial) or as a comercial add-on? I'm wondering if it works with VisualWorks only, or if its portable to any other Smalltalk (that runs Seaside - as I assume its written IN seaside itself?)
By Michael Lucas-Smith on May 23, 2008, 8:57:44 amWebVelocity is its own entire platform (as you can see from the video). It's built off of Cincom Smalltalk, but it's not a Cincom Smalltalk add-on, it's its own entire new product.
By James Robertson on May 23, 2008, 9:57:23 amComment by James Robertson
The underlying web framework is Seaside. As Michael said, this is a new Smalltalk development product
By Rich Demers on May 23, 2008, 10:52:23 amComment by Rich Demers
I was impressed by the demo, but wondered what its target market might be. In other words, who would buy it to do what, under what circumstances.
By Boris on May 30, 2008, 12:45:43 amRich, I second that. We've developed a fairly sophisticated application using Seaside and I just can't see how using a web browser would have helped me along. Providing ready-to-use add-on components, frameworks, patterns and such on the other hand could be a real "why seaside on visualworks and not squeak or gemstone".
By Vladimir on May 30, 2008, 12:02:10 pmGood. But I don't understand why I need this. Yet another IDE for hackers?
The idea comes from Ruby right?, But in ruby its because it has no IDE I think.
I prefer to have stable components for each part of Seaside:
* stable object persistence
* ui components
And I prefer standard Smalltalk code browsers.
Instead of attempt to wire unstable things.
By Joerg on June 11, 2008, 4:15:27 pmWell here is comment on the concept taken only slightly out of context from a recent post on "Smalltalk and my misinterpretations of life"
"If there's one reason to hate the web browser it's because we've yet to really see full desktop like applications shine in its environment. So, if I have the option of using real apps.. why would I suddenly switch to the web browser ...."