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James seems to think this is witty. What disturbs me is that Sriram is anal enough to think that people should be writing HTML or XML in the first place. Bleh, what a dumb idea. Lots of little tags.. that's insane.
Most sane people just don't do that sort of thing any more. They make their webpages using some WYSIWYG program, like Macromedia's Contribute or heck, even Frontpage. As much as I don't like this programs, I'd recommend them over somebody sitting down in notepad and writing out tags.
So I have to wonder when Sriram talks about "Missing one tag meant that hundreds of feeds couldn't be imported." .. is he saying that some moron sat there and write out hundreds of tags by hand? Christ! What drugs was that guy on?
XML is not for people, it's for computers. XML IS NOT HUMAN READABLE
By James Robertson on November 30, 2004, 7:22:37 pmComment by James Robertson
I was referring mostly to the stuff below that. Although, if you don't think being able to 'View source' has helped with both html and xml adoption, you're on another planet :)
By Michael Lucas-Smith on November 30, 2004, 9:28:48 pmComment by Michael Lucas-Smith
Sure it helped. But at the same time, it never should have needed to be done. Honestly, the world needed a Word to be the web from the start. I hate using such examples, but the whole idea of hacking out HTML or XML by hand is just ridiculous :) ... but hindsight is always 20/20.
I totally agree that all the other stuff is spot on though.
By Travis Griggs on December 1, 2004, 2:15:03 amI didn't read the very fine link or article, but reading the comments... I know a couple of guys who do a decent amount of web devlopment. One of them actually runs his very own quite successful company and has quite a cadre of web apps. Any of these serious web developers I know insist on writing their web stuff in things like VIM. It is the amatuer at home mom-n-pop types that seem to prefer and WSIWYG tool. I don't do that kind of thing much myself, so I wouldn't know how deluded they might be. But anecdotely, this would seem to be a couterpoint to Michaell's arguments.
By Michael Lucas-Smith on December 1, 2004, 11:13:53 pmComment by Michael Lucas-Smith
I don't agree with VIM HTML hackers at all Travis. I totally agree with Avi Bryant - let your code create the structures. But now we're getting in to the argument of using a sharp stone vs using a sand blaster and laser cutter to achieve your goals :)