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		<title>[|] Less is More</title>
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		<description>Arden Thomas</description>
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			<title>Getting started in Seaside</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:47:34 EST</pubDate>
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<p>  <p><strong>&quot;I want to learn about Seaside Web Development and VisualWorks - what is the best way to do this?&quot;</strong></p>      <p>Here is how to get started with Seaside and VisualWorks for a newbie.  Suggestions, corrections and feedback are very welcome. </p>    <p>This link below will download our latest beta of our non-commercial build of the product, in which we will officially support Seaside 2.8. </p>  <p><a href="ftp://anonymous@ftp.cincomsmalltalk.com/builds/waldo/CST08NC_dec07.2.iso">  </a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="ftp://anonymous@ftp.cincomsmalltalk.com/builds/waldo/CST08NC_dec07.1.iso">  </a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial"><a href="ftp://anonymous@ftp.cincomsmalltalk.com/pub/applications/CST08NC_dec07.1.iso">CST NC beta supporting Seaside 2.8</a></span></p>          <p>Mount the .iso or burn to a cd.  Install VisualWorks (choose not to install the ObjectStudio products unless needed). </p>  <p>Start visual.im  (found in C:\Program Files\Cincom\vw7.6\image ) by double clicking on it, then, in the VisualWorks launcher, choose the menu file-&gt; save image as, and type in Seaside, then press the save button.</p>      <p><a href="../../casts/stDaily/2007/smalltalk_daily-11-07-07.html">Install</a> the Seaside framework, by opening the parcel manager (second icon from the left, in the top left of the VisualWorks launcher.  From the list choose &quot;Seaside Web Development&quot;.  In the top-right panel you will see a list.  In the top of the list is &quot;Seaside [2.8......]&quot;; click on this to select it, then right click and choose - &quot;Load&quot;.  Note in the list beneath &quot;Seaside [2.8......]&quot;, there are many additional add-ins that you can load, and see examples of. </p>    <p>This <a href="../../video/2007/seaside-helloworld.mp4">screencast</a> shows an example of loading Seaside as we did above, then goes on to create a simple &quot;Hello World&quot; application.<br /> </p>  <p>This <a href="http://www.swa.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/seaside/tutorial">Seaside Tutorial</a> is the most current, being based on Seaside 2.8.</p>  <p>A few things in this tutorial are squeak specific.  You can skip the installation instructions in chapter 2, because we have already done this, and you should already be looking at the dispatcher view of Seaside in your web browser.  Also where the tutorial asks you to insert a &quot;break&quot; message, the VisualWorks equivalent is &quot;halt&quot; (without the quotes).</p>    <p>To learn the basics of creating a class and the development tools, look at these <a href="../cincom/blogView?content=smalltalk_daily">screencasts</a> under the &quot;Basic Introduction&quot; and &quot;Development Tools&quot; categories.  These screencasts are great visual ways to get up to speed quickly.</p>  <p>This <a href="../cincom/blogView?content=smalltalk_daily_seaside_basic">link</a> takes you to screencasts demonstrating many Seaside 2.8 add-ins.  You can walk </p>      <p><a href="../cincom/blogView?content=smalltalk_daily_seaside">Here</a> are some screencasts showing some example applications. </p>  <p>For learning Smalltalk in depth, here is an <a href="http://www.chronos-st.org/Smalltalk-Getting-the-Message.html">Extensive Smalltalk Primer</a> by one of our customers.  It is very good..</p>    
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			<title>Seaside Presentation</title>
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<p>  <p>A Cincom engineer <a href="../mls/blogView?showComments=true&amp;printTitle=Presenting_at_the_Ottawa_Smalltalk_Users_Group_OCSTUG&amp;entry=3372613062">(Michael Lucas-Smith) </a>will be giving a presentation introducing Seaside, and discussing Cincoms plans and work with Seaside, on Thursday, Nov 22 in <a href="http://smalltalk.ottawa.on.ca/">Ottawa</a>.&nbsp; There will be a contingent of Cincom Smalltalk engineers there to answer your questions. &nbsp;If you are local, or a reasonable drive, don&#39;t miss it!</p>    
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			<title>New Product Plans</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:52:25 EST</pubDate>
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<p>  <p>Many have noted that Cincom Smalltalk has taken a stance in supporting and contributing to an outstanding open source web framework known as <a href="http://www.seaside.st/">Seaside</a>.</p>    <p>The other day <a href="blogView?showComments=true&amp;printTitle=Seaside_2.8&amp;entry=3371100553">here</a>, I posted what users could expect to be different, with our supported version of Seaside, which will be released in Cincom Smalltalk VisualWorks 7.6.</p>    <p>But we have also been quietly planning to do more with Seaside.  I am happy to be able to announce a new product that the Cincom Smalltalk division will be launching in 2008.</p>    <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 16pt">Web Velocity</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: 14pt"> <sup><font size="1">TM by Cincom Systems</font><span> </span></sup></span></p>  <p><sup>        </sup></p>    <p>Web Velocity is the synergistic combination of Cincom Smalltalk, Seaside, Glorp (Object relational mapping software) and tools along with examples and documentation.  This product will be targeted at folks wanting a development product to do leading edge database-to-web applications.  On one hand you could compare Web Velocity functionality to Ruby-on-Rails (RoR), and we should certainly be able to compete in that market.  On the other hand, we hope that the combination of products and tools make it easy for newcomers to use, and help grow the community.</p>    <p>As product manager, part of my focus is on how to grow the Smalltalk community.  This is our best answer to date, and I am very excited about it.</p><p>    - Arden  </p>    
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Rich Demers</includedComments:author>
					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-10-30T15:35:26-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
Rich Demers&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;1) Will there be a non-commercial version of it for those of us who want to &amp;quot;try and learn.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) How about a VW version that prepackages VW with Glorp and Store along with a preloaded Store database. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:author>David Mitchell</includedComments:author>
					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-10-30T15:43:40-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Isn't this name likely to be confused with Apache Velocity? A web templating engine?
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					<includedComments:title>Confusion</includedComments:title>
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					<includedComments:author>Arden</includedComments:author>
					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-10-30T19:33:36-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Rich:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1) Possibly, has not been determined yet&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) Idea noted&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;David;&amp;nbsp; We don&amp;#39;t expect much confusion on the name.&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:title>Plans</includedComments:title>
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James Robertson</includedComments:author>
					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-10-30T21:48:10-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
James Robertson&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;The &amp;quot;pieces&amp;quot; of this will be available in an unintegrated form in the standard non-commercial product&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
Rich Demers&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;


&lt;p&gt;The pieces are the problem. VW has so many components that can be assembled in so many ways that it leaves newcomers bewildered. I know that I am not the first to ask for a prepackaged, ready-to-use version that assembles a relatively complete development environment. VW experts, like Jim, don't seem to understand how intimidating this is. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I might also point out that ENVY use to provide roughly what I'm asking for -- a single user development versioning system.&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-10-31T05:49:20-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
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&lt;p&gt;Rich,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That's exactly what Web Velocity will be - a packaged solution for developing Seaside applications. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Packaging</includedComments:title>
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
Rich Demers&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Yes, but will Web Velocity include Store packaged with a ready-to-use database. That's what I'm suggesting is needed for beginning VW users.&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:author>emptist</includedComments:author>
					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-11-01T18:34:08-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Hi, it seems only covering a narrow market and I would suggest including Aida web and plug-in applications.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;They might not be as much supported as SeaSide but they will win you more buyers I believe. In time might turn&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; it into an all-in-one web developing product adding to it p2p, messenger, blog, wiki, as well as dictionary/wikipediaetc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:title>wider market cover</includedComments:title>
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					<includedComments:author>Isaac Gouy</includedComments:author>
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&lt;p&gt;Here's another response&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;a href="http://matasar.org/blog/tech/cincom_seaside"&gt;this product as it's currently imagined has no shot to be popular or appreciably grow the Smalltalk community&lt;/a&gt;
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					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-11-06T21:58:52-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
James Robertson&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;From the download page:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Just Proceed to the downloads now, and register later&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Meaning, registration is &lt;em&gt;optional.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:pubDate>2007-11-21T17:48:53-05:00</includedComments:pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Does Web Velocity will be a prepackaged image with all the needed packages to develop web applications in Cincom Smalltalk, or a standalone product based on Cincom Smalltak to develop web application?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Comment by 
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&lt;p&gt;It will be a development/deployment system for Seaside web applications&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>  <p>The final release of <a href="http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/seaside28?view=PBPostHtmlView&amp;command=PRViewCommand">Seaside 2.8</a> has been announced.</p><p>James also noted this <a href="../../blog/blogView?showComments=true&amp;printTitle=Seaside_2.8_is_Released&amp;entry=3371027620">here</a>. <br /></p>      <p>Seaside 2.8 will be formally supported in Cincom Smalltalk in our next release, currently scheduled for Q1 2008. </p>        <p>So what?  you might ask  Seaside runs on Cincom Smalltalk VisualWorks now. </p>  <p>So what does this mean for our customers?  What changes are there?  </p>      <p>Here is what will be different in our first supported release: </p>  <p>1) Formally supporting Seaside for our customers</p>  <p>2) Internationalization support</p>  <p>3) It runs on top of our unified Opentalk Framework </p>  <p>4) We will support changing the root seaside path (/seaside/)</p>  <p>5) We will provide a web ui testing framework based on SUnitToo for testing Seaside components</p>    <p>Many consider Seaside to be the &quot;killer&quot; application for Smalltalk (a good thing if you are not familiar with the term :-)  ).   Seaside brings structure and a fresh approach to Web development, leveraging technologies like CSS and AJAX.</p>      <p>A new tutuorial can be found <a href="http://www.swa.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/seaside/tutorial">here</a>. </p>  <p>Seaside is worth checking out!</p>    
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					<includedComments:author>David Shaffer</includedComments:author>
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&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m curious about the web ui testing framework.&amp;nbsp; I built SeasideTesting which has been ported to Cincom Smalltalk and is fairly heavily used if my INBOX is any indication.&amp;nbsp; Is Cincom building another framework?...or are you building something based off of SeasideTesting? 
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					<includedComments:author>Boris</includedComments:author>
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&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m very anxious to move our Seaside apps to Opentalk base, when is 7.5.1 projected for release? 
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					<includedComments:author>Arden</includedComments:author>
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&lt;p&gt;On the testing framework, I believe we are adding an additional lightweight test framework that can be used in addition to Seaside testing, the new one using SUnitToo.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cincom Smalltalk VisualWorks 7.6 is expected Q1 2008, mid quarter, possibly a bit earlier .&lt;/p&gt;
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					<includedComments:title>testing and VW7.6</includedComments:title>
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