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Scoble wanted feedback

February 10, 2004 15:05:28.053

Every so often, Scoble posts about IE, or asks for comments on it. Well, I've got one. With the help of a colleague, I've got a nice looking site now thanks to CSS. We have had a few issues though, and have had to add some ugly hacks specific to IE - because the IE team refuses to do a compliant CSS implementation. Come on guys - are you telling me that the mighty MS can't keep up with the guys doing Opera, or Mozilla? I'd really, really like it if MS acted responsibly about this. Most people use IE, because way back when - when IE 4 and NS 4 were battling - IE was better. Enough resting on your laurels - get the heck back to work!

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[petrilli] February 10, 2004 16:02:52.914

I've gotten where I check my CSS/XHTML against 2 browsers primarily. Mozilla (on Windows and Linux) and Safari on the Mac. Between the two, they implement just about everything in CSS, and do so as "correctly" as anyone today. Safari is sadly the better browser, from a standards compliant way. It's slipping away as Dave Hyatt is forced to add more hacks. He's written great things in his blog about failure modes of browsers and the pain in dealing with all the BS cruft. Since all my design is personal, I pretty much have the attitude that I will write to the specs, make compromises where they are trivial, but I will not break the specs because someone is too stupid or lazy to bother. There's no excuse for using anything that doesn't comply. Hopefully my site fails "smoothly" in something else, but if it doesn't, well, my time is my money, and my money alone, so deal with it. it sounds religious, but it is this continual "Oh, just add one more hack for Netscape 4.6" that has gotten us in this horrid position. If you're not at least on IE6/PC, or Safari, or Mozilla, don't bug me with a problem on the site.

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[Brent Vukmer] February 11, 2004 0:00:34.045

The new look is waaaaaaaaaaaay better. Good work!

Frame at right partially overlaps and covers some of the text on the left.

[Jeff Hallman] February 11, 2004 10:32:41.547

I'm using IE 6, but I have turned on both "Ignore font styles specified on web pages" and "Ignore font sizes specified on web pages" in Tools -> Internet Options -> Accessibility. I do this because I run my 19 inch monitor at 1600 x 1200 resolution, and if I don't ignore font sizes and styles, I get unreadably small fonts even with View -> Text Size -> Largest on many web sites. It seems many web site designers believe everyone has a 1024 x 768 screen.

Re: Scoble wanted feedback

[Vassili Bykov] February 11, 2004 10:45:51.738

Comment on Scoble wanted feedback by Vassili Bykov

And that's another one of IE's many deficiencies. Other browsers scale fonts specified in absolute units when you change your smaller/larger setting; IE doesn't.

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