Smalltalk Tidbits, Industry Rants

On today's Smalltalk Daily, we add an OST UI onto our iTunes COM interface. To watch part 1, go here. To watch today's screencast, click on the image below:

You can also watch it on Vimeo:

Driving iTunes from ObjectStudio Part 2 from James Robertson on Vimeo.

Or on YouTube:

I see that a bunch of newspapers are banding together in regional compacts to share content:

The latest iteration of the new content-sharing model brings together The Record of Hackensack, New Jersey, The Star-Ledger of Newark, the Times Union of Albany, the Buffalo News, and New York Daily News, which apparently organized the consortium.

I didn't realize it, but the WashPo and the Baltimore Sun were already doing this. Sounds like a reasonable cost cutting measure, so why am I skeptical? Well, it boils down to what I wrote here - newspapers are trying to be generalists in an era of niche specialization. I just don't know that there's a market niche available for the "we carry it all" business. Online news isn't just driving paper out of news - it's driving hyper-specialization.

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I got an interesting iPhone app (it's early testing days for this thing - don't look for it in the app store for awhile). What is it? Well, here's a screenshot:

That's Firefox on my MBP browsing a Squeak based Pier server on my iPhone. Kind of cool :)

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I was listening to a talk show while I was out doing some yard work, and I heard the host making the argument that sub-standard products often win, based on marketing efforts. His examples were the ones we've all heard: Beta vs. VHS, DOS vs. Mac (et. al.), LCD vs. Plasma. I could add Smalltalk vs. C++ or Java, too. The problem is, you have to really consider the term "best", and how the buyers of the product rank things:

• Beta vs. VHS: early on, VHS had double the recording capability. That mattered a lot if you wanted to, say, turn on the VCR at 8, go out, and be sure that you captured the entire schedule on your favorite channel
• DOS vs. everything else: Price was the killer. When I bought my first PC, I really wanted a Mac - but I couldn't afford the markup (over $2K difference at the time). The market chose price over functionality. As time went on, the sheer size of the DOS/Windows world made for more functionality, too.
• LCD vs. Plasma: You can argue about better picture all you want, but presentation matters - and in the store, the brighter LCD screen counts as "better".

What about Smalltalk? Well, I started teaching Smalltalk classes back in 1992. You have to keep something basic in mind: the base image back then consumed 6 MB of RAM. On today's systems that ship with 2-4 GB, the slightly larger 9 MB is trivial, but back then, 1-2 MB was common, and 8 MB was a loaded system. On a loaded system, running the Windows version of Smalltalk took over the machine. Sure, you were vastly more productive than C++, but could you deploy your application - would it run on the typical end user system of the day?

Things have changed for Smalltalk, fortunately. Today, there are vast reams of memory available on desktops, and Smalltalk is, well, small compared to the typical Java system. The old problems Smalltalk had are long gone, and now it's mostly a matter of getting past the old perceptions. Based on Cincom's profitability in Smalltalk, I'd say we are doing well there.

My main point is this: before you make the claim that the "better product lost", look at the winning product with the eyes of the people who bought the other one. It's probably the case that they're ranking something the second product does better much, much more highly than you expected.

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Spotted in Slashdot

Last week Mozilla released Bespin, their web-based framework for code editing, and only a few days later Boris Bokowski and Simon Kaegi implemented an Eclipse-based Bespin server using headless Eclipse plug-ins. With the presentation of the web-based Eclipse workbench at EclipseCon and the release of products like Heroku, a web-based IDE and hosting environment for RoR apps, it seems that web-based IDEs might soon become mainstream

The idea of having the toolset live in the browser is getting to be mainstream - and we're getting closer to release status with Web Velocity. Want to know more? Check out Michael's latest video.

Technorati Tags: seaside, smalltalk, web development

Have a listen to this short bit from the Pandora folks. Why would you pay for Satellite radio when you can stream a custom station through your home network via WiFi, and via 2g or 3g in the car? I've found new music this way, so that argument is dead, too.

It's not just satellite radio, either - other than for local news/weather, terrestrial radio is doomed as well. I think talk radio will move towards live streaming as well - it'll allow the hosts to cut out a whole range of middlemen whose value is rapidly approaching zero.

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Not everyone agrees that social media and marketing are the same thing - for a contrary take that makes a lot of good points, take a look at the latest from The Angry Drunk.

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On today's Smalltalk Daily, we take a look at having text fields in a VW interface display urls as clickable objects, just like the browser does. To watch, click on the image below:

You can also watch it on Vimeo:

Clickable urls in a text field in VW from James Robertson on Vimeo.

Or on YouTube:

One of the things that sticks to Smalltalk (unfairly now) is the idea that building and deploying a runtime is hard. In this post, I'll take a small application and demonstrate how to go from "code in the environment" to a runtime application. If you want to use this sample application, simply go to the public store repository and install ITunesAlarmClock. It doesn't have any outside pre-reqs. First, here's a snapshot of the simple iTunes alarm clock application:

The application is simple - specify a time, set an alarm, and when the time rolls around, iTunes will play at the specified volume. Here's the way we get the runtime to start the application up when the image starts:

We create a subclass of UserApplication and add a #main method. In #main, we put our startup code. That's most of what we needed. Next, there's a short script to build the image:

| promise stream |
Parcel loadParcelFrom: 'ITunesAlarmClock.pcl'.
DeploymentOptionsSystem current startInRuntime: true.
Notifier current: AlarmClock.EmergencyHandler.
Notifier uheFilename: 'error.log'.
Notifier logToFile: true.
UI.WindowManager noWindowBlock: [:windowManager | ].
stream := WriteStream on: String new.
stream nextPutAll: 'changeRequest'; cr; cr; tab.
stream nextPutAll: '^true'.
VisualLauncher compile: stream contents.
VisualLauncher allInstances do: [:each | each closeRequest].
(Delay forSeconds: 10) wait.
promise := [ObjectMemory permSaveAs: 'alarmClock' thenQuit: false] promise.
promise value.
RuntimeSystem isRuntime ifFalse: [ObjectMemory quit].

Adapting that script to your own needs should be straightforward. Here's what's going on there (the file is called configureAlarmImage.st):

• We tell the runtime system that we'll be in deployment
• We specify that the emergency handler to use is AlarmClock.EmergencyHandler
• We tell the WindowManager not to bring up the launcher when there are no other windows open
• The streaming code is a bit of trickery to tell the launcher to not prompt us when we close it in the next couple of lines.
• Then we save the image, with a delay - that's to ensure that the resulting image doesn't start up with the launcher visibly closing.
• Finally, we quit the image we're in, having created a new one

Now, to use that we start the image on the command line. The Mac shell script I use is below; on Linux/Unix you would do something similar. On Windows, a simple batch file would suffice. Heck, you can even just type the command in at the command line:

#!/bin/sh
./startvw ~/Applications/vw7.6/preview/packaging/base.im  -fileIn configureAlarmImage.st

That starts up the base image (which does not have development tools in it), loads our code and configures the image (as explained above), and then saves it.

That gives us an image that will start up with our application running. Finally, you need to put this into a platform specific runtime. On Windows, follow the directions here to create an executable. On Mac, follow the directions here. If you want to create a nice DMG file, just use the Disk Utility application to build that. On Unix/Linux, all you need to do is change the image to have executable permissions, and put it and the VM in the same directory. The image can then be run as if it were a schell script.

And that's it! Not a ton of steps, and it's all automatable.

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PCWorld reports that Ballmer is chiding Apple for not being open enough:

In what only can possibly be the most recent of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's continuing series of pearls of wisdom, the Rambler from Redmond told a panel at the World Mobile Congress in Barcelona earlier this week: "I agree that no single company can create all the hardware and software. Openness is central because it's the foundation of choice."

Maybe I should have tagged this post as humor; I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere...

Apparently, the analog to digital conversion isn't going so well for some people....

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Thus far I've been very pleased with the iPhone. Battery life is good so long as I limit my use of 3g (and, as it happens, most places I go have WiFi anyway). Browsing the web on the phone is actually pleasant, and I've already installed a decent stable of apps. After some initial worrying about network coverage for straight phone use, I'm pleasantly surprised: the AT&T network seems to be good where I live. We'll have to see how that goes when I travel, of course - but so far, no worries.

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AppleInsider has some sobering news about the App Store for the iPhone:

The vast majority of apps downloaded from the App Store are in use by less than 5% of users after one month has passed since the download, according to an analytics firm that is also shedding light on other aspects of the business.

I can't speak to that personally - I'm less than a month into my ownership, and some of the apps I have (Yelp and iWant) will be most useful when I'm on the road in an unfamiliar place - so it's hard to say much about those right now. It does mean that TANSTAAFL holds as much for the iPhone app developer as it does for anything else :)

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I'm heading down to Annapolis to see Jonathan Coulton with friends - best present ever, these tickets :)

This morning my Mac decided to act like a Windows box - a bunch of applications froze up (Mail, iPhoto, iTunes) - and the only way to unzombie them was a reboot. And that required a hard power off, because shutdown wasn't able to kill them, either.

Strange. I like the Mac a lot, and it's a huge, huge improvement over Windows - but it's not a perfect platform, regardless of what the fanboys would have you believe :)

Last night's concert was a blast - Paul and Storm were hilarious, and Coulton played a great set. He had Paul and Storm on stage with him a fair amount, and the three of them together were really funny. If they play near you, run, don't walk, to get tickets.

Of course, I forgot to bring my good camera :) But I did have my iPhone handy:

And thanks to Mike and Jo - the tickets and dinner were a fantastic birthday present!

This week we spoke to Martin Kobetic, one of Michael's fellow developers on Cincom's Smalltalk team. We mostly talked about the security libraries (encryption, etc) in the product, although we spent a bit of time on Opentalk and grid computing as well. To listen, click here.

There are some audio artifacts in Martin's portion of the audio that I just couldn't filter out. I apologize for that; it sounds a bit like crackling on a phone line.

If you have feedback, send it to smalltalkpodcasts@cincom.com - or visit us on Facebook or Ning - you can vote for the Podcast Alley, and subscribe on iTunes. If you enjoy the podcast, pass the word - we would love to have more people hear about Smalltalk!

Julian Fitzell explains what's coming in Seaside 2.9 - part 1 here, and part 2 here. The big change has to do with Continuations; they are now optional in the normal flow of Seaside.

The logical question you'll have for me is what Cincom is doing with respect to 2.9. Well - we've been heads down on the Web Velocity project, but the first release of that is getting pretty close. We'll be looking at moving our support from 2.8 to 2.9 after that, with formal Cincom support coming when 2.9 is officially released.

In the meantime, why not follow Julian so you can keep track of the project?

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I have a few ideas in the queue, and a few suggestions as well - but Smalltalk Daily is for you, not me. So - feel free to hit me with ideas. Send me email, comment here, or heck - hit the talkback widget on the blog!

There was some interesting news last week about Hulu - they stopped distributing with tv.com and Boxee. Now, they could be trying to build an online version of a TV station - like Facebook, trying to get all the clicks to happen on their site. There's also the possibility that cable networks are getting antsy about the whole streaming video thing:

Could it be that the big cable companies are pressuring TV networks and film studios to scale back the content they provide Web services? Peter Kafka from All Things Digital certainly thinks so. Although it’s purely speculation, it's believable, especially given the financial incentive cable networks and operators have to preserve the current cable TV business model. In fact, Glenn Britt, CEO of Time Warner Cable blamed part of the company's $8.16 billion loss in the fourth quarter on Web video services, which have been luring customers away from cable companies.

I have no idea whether that's true or not, but I do think cable operators are at the starting point of a downhill run to pain. Just as the web has been steadily destroying the newspaper business, I think we're starting to see the business model for TV and radio change over. In an on-demand culture, the whole "must see tv" thing just doesn't fit anymore.

On today's Smalltalk Daily, we look at embedding an ActiveX component into an ObjectStudio window. To watch, click on the image below:

You can also watch it on Vimeo:

ObjectStudio and ActiveX from James Robertson on Vimeo.

Or on YouTube:

Here's another case where a company is going to wish that legal actions ran by PR first: Microsoft is asking some laid off workers to pay back excessive severance pay:

The software giant, which recently laid off 1,400 employees, sent letters (see image below) [ed: follow the link for that] this week to some of those former workers letting them know that their severance payouts were a bit too "generous" and respectfully requested that the former employees pay back that money, according to a report Saturday on TechCrunch.

Never mind the accounting or tax aspects of this - just consider how that's going to look as it gets publicity. Heck, MS is big enough that this could easily land on a major media site, like Drudge.

As time goes by, I'm more and more convinced that the legal department should report to the PR staff, and not be allowed to do anything before getting a PR blessing...

Everyone has been pointing to this Marc Andreeson interview with Charlie Rose - around minute 28 he gets going about newspapers, and eventually says that the "game is over" for print news. This isn't news to me; I doubt the companies running the papers will pay much attention though. It's really, really hard for a company that's had success in X to transition successfully when things transition over to Y.

The far more likely path is what we're seeing happening already in some of the niche areas, like tech news: the old players are being completely overwhelmed by the new players, because the new guys don't have any romantic connection back to "the way it should be done". I expect that we'll have plenty of good news reporting in the future - it just won't be happening via the same companies who did print. And, in my opinion, radio and tv are going to get the same treatment....

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I've just finished building a one script build for BottomFeeder on the Mac; I'll need to create a batch file to do the same thing on Windows, and adapt the existing script (minor, really) for other Unix/Linux platforms. It's probably of general interest, so I'll do a screencast on it tomorrow.

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I guess you can't make headlines by claiming that TV rots the brain anymore - the new brain rotting scare is "social media":

Social networking websites are causing alarming changes in the brains of young users, an eminent scientist has warned.

Sites such as Facebook, Twitter and Bebo are said to shorten attention spans, encourage instant gratification and make young people more self-centred

I'm not sure what will be scary twenty years from now, but rest assured - it'll be something :)

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David Meerman Scott:

Learning about someone's product doesn't sound like a way you want to spend your valuable time, does it? Stories are exciting. Most marketing is not.

Your job as a marketer is to tell stories that people are eager to share with their friends, colleagues, and family members.

I see a lot of this in marketing circles now, on blogs and on Twitter. It's a nice idea, but there's a very basic problem with it: "telling a story" doesn't move the ball forward, unless that story illustrates something about what your company does. Sure, people love stories, and they'll read entertaining ones whether they're related to what you do or not. What they won't do is get any idea as to what your company does, how it does it, and how you can help them solve their problems.

Stories are great - so long as they are connected to what you do. If they aren't connected, you might as well try to be a novelist.

There's another problem here, too. When I'm searching for solutions to a problem I have, the last thing I want to run across is a meaningless story about something that a marketing department thought would interest me. What I want to find is the answer to my problem. Say I'm looking for help with CSS for my site - is it more helpful for me to find a long winded story about some random topic, or a site that gives me examples of how to solve my problem - along with an offer to help me do it?

Marketing is a conversation, but it's a directed one.

On today's Smalltalk Daily, we build up a runtime image and a Mac .app bundle from a base VW image - without using Runtime Packager. To watch, click on the image below:

You can also watch it on Vimeo:

Scripting a Runtime Mac Image from James Robertson on Vimeo.

or on YouTube:

Today's Smalltalk Daily covered the process (with some Mac specifics) - I thought a post on the topic, in addition to the video, might be useful. First, the important part of the build script (the part I'm omitting loads all the required parcels into a base image and sets some application level state. To get the startup class specified, simply create a subclass of UserApplication, and add a #main method that executes your startup code. I covered that here.

"go to deployment"
DeploymentOptionsSystem current startInRuntime: true.
Notifier current: RuntimePackager.BfRuntimeEmergencyNotifier.
Notifier uheFilename: 'error.log'.
Notifier logToFile: true.
UI.WindowManager noWindowBlock: [:windowManager | ].
stream := WriteStream on: String new.
stream nextPutAll: 'changeRequest'; cr; cr; tab.
stream nextPutAll: '^true'.
VisualLauncher compile: stream contents.
VisualLauncher allInstances do: [:each | each closeAndUnschedule.  each release].
Workbook allInstances do: [:each | each closeRequest].
(Delay forSeconds: 10) wait.
promise := [ObjectMemory permSaveAs: 'bottomFeeder' thenQuit: false] promise.
promise value.
RuntimeSystem isRuntime ifFalse: [ObjectMemory quit].

What does that do? Well, it sets up custom notifiers for the runtime (I don't want the default behavior that RTP specifies, which is "log and quit") when an unhandled exception happens. Then it turns off the "default window" block - that's the behavior whereby the launcher window pops up if all other windows are closed. Then it closes all Launchers and Workspaces, and saves the runtime image. Note that it does that in a separate process - that's so that the runtime doesn't start up and immediately quit :)

That gives me a runtime. I'd like to make it smaller though (not in memory consumption terms, just in disk space terms). So I use this script:

"load the compression code"
[#(
       '$(VISUALWORKS)/packaging/ImageCompression.pcl'
) do: [:each |
        Parcel loadParcelFrom: each]]
	on: MissingParcelSource
	do: [:ex | ex resume: true].

"now compress the image"
ObjectMemory
	compressImageFile: 'bottomFeeder.im'
	to: 'bfSmall.im'
	resultsTo: 
		[:inFileSize :outFileSize :compTime :decompTime|
			 Transcript
				cr;
				nextPutAll: 'Image compressed to ';
				print: (outFileSize * 10000 / inFileSize) rounded / 100.0;
				nextPutAll: '% of original (';
				print: inFileSize->outFileSize;
				nextPut: $);
				cr;
				nextPutAll: 'Deompression + read time ';
				print: decompTime // 10 / 100.0;
				nextPutAll: ' seconds (compressed in ';
				print: compTime // 10 / 100.0;
				nextPutAll: ' seconds)';
				flush].
(Delay forSeconds: 2) wait.
ObjectMemory quit.

That fires up a new image, loads the compression parcel, and runs it on my image. Here's the shell script that guides the whole thing - and yes, sleeping to ensure that commands have finished is probably sloppy - if you're better at shell scripting, I'm sure you'll have a better answer there:

#!/bin/sh
echo "Running basic image creation..."
./startvw visual.im  -fileIn build-bf-non-windows.st
sleep 120
echo "Running image compression..."
./startvw visual.im -fileIn compress-bf-image.st
sleep 30
echo "Pushing new image into the .app..."
cp bfSmall.im macBuildDir/bottomFeeder.app/Contents/Resources/resource.im
echo "done"

That copy command drops the image into the Mac App bundle. As it happens, that bundle is just a directory structure, with the VM in one place, the image in another, and an XML file to explain it. That's documented - look in the "packaging" directory in the distro.

Finally, what about specifying your own app image for the dock? Well, in the app bundle is a file called "herald.tiff". Drop your image there in TIFF format, and you should be good to go.

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Spotted in Wired Top Stories

Microsoft has dropped an attempt to recoup some severance money from 25 recently fired workers it mistakenly overpaid. The Redmond, Washington-based company, which announced a plan to cut up to 5,000 jobs in January, acknowledged on Sunday that it had tried to get the overpaid workers to return the extra money. But late on Monday, it reversed course. "This was a mistake on our part," said a Microsoft spokesman in an e-mailed statement. "We should have handled this situation in a more thoughtful manner."

This was nearly guaranteed to go this way once it became public knowledge, and I'm sure that MS' PR folks could have told legal that it was going to go that way, had they been asked. Taking legal action is never simple, but it's even more complex now...

I like the fact that my iPhone will work overseas, but stories like this remind me that outside the US, the only internet browsing I do with it should involve WiFi access:

A hapless Slingbox user managed to run up a data bill of $28,067.31 watching a game of American football, despite being aboard a docked cruise liner and having an unlimited data tariff, thanks to a technical hitch or two.

This poor guy hadn't even left the US yet, but it sounds like it would be very, very easy to run up a huge bill via overseas Data Roaming...

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I don't know whether to laugh, or cry:

Minn. newspapers get retraining funds for Internet

Earlier today, I posted a build script - the one I'm now using for BottomFeeder runtimes. The cool thing is, that script is easily adapted to any runtime. You just use code like this to load the parcels you need:

parcelList do: [:each | Parcel loadParcelFrom: 'parcelToLoadhere.pcl].

And then drop down to the packaging code that I covered in the post. The cool part is, you really don't need to use RuntimePackager anymore. With a simple Smalltalk script and an accompanying shell/batch file, you can:

• Install your own unhandled exception handler
• Specify the startup code with a subsystem class with a simple API
• Build up from a base runtime, rather than stripping down from a development image

All of that is pretty cool - it has never, ever been easy to work with RuntimePackager. With BottomFeeder, I had to rebuild the list of classes to keep and remove each time there was a new release of VW, and - as I added/refactored code, that list would often need tweaking - as the tool often makes mistakes on its own. With the build up mechanism I wrote about earlier, that just doesn't happen.

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Earlier this month, my Seaside/Web Velocity talk in Cincinnati got postponed due to a snowstorm. It's been rescheduled for next Tuesday - go here for details on the location.

To keep track of all the upcoming Cincom Smalltalk events, head to our Events Page

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Today's Smalltalk Daily covers scripting a development build. Just as you need to go from development to deployment, you need to go from base development tool to a work environment. Today I demonstrate how I do that for BottomFeeder. To watch, click on the image below:

You can also watch it on Vimeo:

Scripting a Development Build from James Robertson on Vimeo.

or on YouTube:

Via Rob Fahrni comes news of a new Half Blood Prince trailer. Looks cool.

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The next Smalltalk User's Group meetup in the UK will be on March 9th. They have a mailing list you can join, too.

Perhaps AT&T should not have named their latest phone the "Quickfire" - Engadget explains why:

Please take special care when charging your Quickfire GTX75 mobile phone. There have been a few reports of significant overheating of the phone when the AC Charger adapter is inserted incorrectly and forced into the phone.

Awesome :)

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Spotted in SCI FI Wire:

"We made this film not for Trekkies but for future fans of Star Trek," Abrams told a news conference. "The studio wanted to give the film a fresh start, and I was originally brought in as a producer, but upon reading the script, I saw so much potential and possibility that the original had failed to realize due to technological constraints, so I got very greedy and I decided to direct it myself."

This makes me hopeful that the movie might be good, and that there might be hope for the franchise. For good or ill, the old franchise has long since reached intellectual exhaustion - it either needed a full reboot, or retirement.

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The Economist relates a pretty sorry example of "how make your company look like a bunch of tools". Follow the link - it's better if I don't try to summarize. Suffice to say that in some outfits, the rot extends all the way through...

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I sense a disturbance in the force...

The daily screencast is delayed - I have a workman finishing up on the bathroom, and the work involves a power saw and hammering - which isn't really conducive to recording audio :)

I should have a cast out later today

On today's Smalltalk Daily, we look at a tool that allows for usage based menu item order to be figured out. It's not something you would deploy, but it may be handy as a testing tool. To watch, click on the image below:

You can also watch on Vimeo:

Determining Correct Menu Item Placement from James Robertson on Vimeo.

Or on YouTube:

Rogers Cadenhead introduces some uncomfortable reality to the people moaning about the death of newspapers:

Saunders blames the web and ideologically motivated haters for the demise of newspapers, but she ignores the fact that major dailies have been dying for decades, long before the Internet came along. Back in the '50s when Saunders was a child, the legendary journalist A.J. Liebling devoted numerous New Yorkerarticles to the sad demise of major papers and the societal hole that each left behind when the presses rolled to a halt. The industry has been dying for as long as many of us have been alive. Multiple newspaper towns became two paper towns, morning and afternoon. Two-paper towns became single-paper towns, usually when one paper killed the other. I can still remember where I was on Dec. 8, 1991, when I heard the news that the Dallas Times-Heraldhad been bought for $55 million and immediately shut down by the rival Dallas Morning-News. When a paper dies, a sizeable chunk of its readership doesn't move to another paper. People just break the habit. Even though half the reporters in town were gone, I don't recall any stories in the Newsback then lamenting the stories that would never be written.

When I first moved to the Baltimore area back in the late 80's, there was a morning paper, and an evening paper. The evening paper, which had far better comics, died soon after I got here, and - as Rogers says - I just didn't bother getting the morning edition. That was a long time before the internet popped up.

There are problems with newspapers, and the death of printed classified ads is making their lives more difficult - but the downward trend started a long, long time ago. What the net did was tilt the ramp.

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